Runner Up: Listener's Choice Award, Podcasting for Business Awards 2022
Jan. 28, 2022

Episode 26: Looking back on "If Not Me, Then Who?" with Emma Barnes

Episode 26: Looking back on

Insights: No-one's coming to rescue you.

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If you’ve ever had a moment where you’re so completely infuriated with how things are, that you just can’t stop yourself from changing things up, you’ll immediately identify with the fury that Emma described in last week’s interview.

When it comes to stepping into our mission, there are many reasons we can feel compelled to step up and take action. Sometimes it’s because our vision is so big we can’t not move towards it. Sometimes it’s because the status quo feels so dreadful we simply have to move away from it. We find ourselves somewhere in the messiness of change, with all the personal and professional consequences that can have for everyone involved.

In this week’s solo episode, we look back at my conversation with publisher, programmer and activist Emma Barnes, who took one step at a time to change the world of publishing because she could see what would be possible if publishers learned to code. We look at the impact that had on Emma’s life and business and the influence she now has as a result of giving herself the permission she needed to begin.

If you know it’s time to trust yourself and embrace the messiness of mission, take a listen.



Sue is on a mission to STOP women playing small so that they can create the legacy they want to leave in the world.  With over 30 years coaching and leadership experience, Sue loves nothing more than disrupting the unhelpful thinking that often holds women back, so that they can think, dream and BE bigger in leading the change they want to see.  Coaching internationally, Sue’s clients are primarily world-changing women who want to lead with confidence, increase their impact and live a life that matters.


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Emma Barnes

Founder - Consonance Publishing

Emma Barnes is a publisher, programmer and activist on a mission to eradicate menial drudge-work from the jobs of people in book publishing. She founded and runs, and, whose technical literacy initiatives include, and

Contact Emma at:

Consonance Publishing Management:
Snowbooks Ltd (independent publishing):
Make Our Book (children’s publishing):